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Records request

Hey Dennis,
Just got this records request from a homeowner. Seems kinda like a fishing expedition to me. Is this within her rights to ask for all this information at one time and include a CPA and other homeowners?
Following is the request:
I am requesting to see any/all of the financial records for Velda Rose Estates for the year 2022. This includes every invoice, charge account statements with receipts, checks register and checking account statements, savings account statements, etc. I do not want copies but would like to review them in person. This can be done with a board member present if you so choose. Place does not matter. Colby clubhouse would be my suggestion. Please let me know what day you can do this. I anticipate this taking more than one day. The dates must be scheduled within 10 days, actually occur before March 31st and must also be agreeable to me. I will be having another member accompany me as well as a CPA hired specifically for this purpose.


3 Responses

  1. Dennis Legere

    The law specifies “reasonable” request to view records. I will tell you exactly what I would have told this individual if they had asked me beforehand. This request is totally unreasonable and overly burdensome. It is clearly a fishing expedition with no clear purpose and mission. I would state with certainty that any association faced with this same request would refuse to provide the request and if challenged in court would prevail in any court in Arizona.

    If the individual has a specific concern, they can ask for focused request for record review. You are required to do either an audit, review or compilation of your finances on an annual basis. This is for a reason. The report of that review must be provided to any homeowner upon request. Even if the homeowner is on a fishing expedition, they can ask to see the monthly budget comparison reports for one year, or one years’ worth of bank statements, and that would be appropriate. But when you add the transaction ledger entries for one year or the checking account register for one year that throws it over the top. Even with a CPA present such a forensic review could take a weak or more. No association can be reasonably expected to babysit such a blatant fishing expedition. If the members starts with a high level review, and a specific concern arises, they can then focus down to transaction histories for a budget line item for one or two months. This systematic approach financial review starting with a high-level review then focusing down to individual transactions is both reasonable and of limited burden for the association. What I tell all homeowners if first to look for smoke at a very high level, then drill down to find the fire if any exist.
    The homeowner has the right to designate a representative to view the records, you would be hard pressed to defend denying both the requestor and the CPA from reviewing the records. But the other homeowner would have to request to view the same records, and they can do that together. While her time is her time and what she pays for the CPA is up to her, what you believe the impact of your resources to satisfy such a broad based and open ended request.

    You have every right to reject this request as both unreasonable and overly burdensome. I would take a clear and objective review of why any homeowners would make such a request, is it based on a true and real concern for mismanagement or misappropriations of funds. Is this request based on a legitimate concern or a clear vindictive attack by a member with an agenda. Have other homeowners expressed concerns over financial management? Has the board truly been objective and challenging on the financial statements from the community manager? if not why not? If in doubt you would be best served as would your community if you and the board ordered a forensic audit of your own financial records. and let everyone know of your actions. Embezzlement and misappropriation of association funds do happen, not often but they do happen and while criminal prosecution is possible restitution of lost money is seldom achieved and the homeowners are left to restore the embezzled funds.


  2. Lora Rudolph

    Dennis, your reply in this matter is most helpful. Can you recommend a method of review – direct access, PDF scans, paper printouts-that is most likely to result in approval of the request to review specific transactions such as tax-exempt reimbursements to Board members for meals and entertainment? The management company here stated they only provide paper copies, and that the paper copies cannot be certified as true and complete duplicates of the original. They are requiring 30 cents per page of non-certified paper. I don’t like the idea of printed paper circulating and favor seeing files electronically through a secure portal. Would this method be reasonable to request?

    1. Dennis Legere

      You are entitled to view any reasonable requested record of the association. There is no distinction between certified or non-certified records a record is a record, and the association has absolutely no right to retain two different version of a record. The law requires that you be able to view any record free of charge. they are allowed to charge you no more than $0.15 per page for any copies that your request. If you do not request copies than you don’t have to pay for anything but what the association shows you must be the official record of the association. If the association want to print out a document to show you that is fine, but it must be the official record and they cannot charge you for that printing. The law does not address electronic access to records but since most are stored electronically that is totally reasonable, but the association is not required to do so. If the association wants to be stupid the law does not keep them from being so.

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